One question I don't think I've seen asked is, should we still use storage wax over the summer with Phantom?
One question I don't think I've seen asked is, should we still use storage wax over the summer with Phantom?
You really see those things being the same as pitching a new cure all wonder drug???
Since longevity is the key attraction, it's hard to evaluate at introduction until independent gear heads like we have on PugSki have extended time to test. If those tests are successful, I suspect many of us will be lined up for Phantom application at the DPS demo at the Gathering.
Well it's also not a material that will clog pores. Given that they say wax will still behave as usual, it isn't doing anything to the physical structure that would change any pores.Since they admit to only testing over the last year, durability will be interesting to monitor. Can you reapply after, say, two years if the lubricity should wear off or will the pores of the p-tex base be too clogged up to adsorb more? Doesn't appear to be a material you can clean out with base cleaner.
Plus -- what the hell am I supposed to do when I need a break from the stresses of life if I can't retreat to the gear shed, crack open a beer and wax skis for the gajillionth time? Tune bikes in winter?
Waxing provides a sense of accomplishment. ..... A freshly waxed ski is an objective success; an immediately observable accomplishment. I won't cede that feeling to the engineers!
So you knock a nice gouge into your ski that now requires a good size p-tex repair. You now have an untreated section of your ski base. Speed killer. What is the shelf life of this product? Is it a two part mixture? Is it a single solution? Am I out another 100 every time I repair a base with P-Tex? Can I possess and store the stuff to use for repair coverage?
Somewhere in this thread it said that this treatment makes the base harder. Wouldn't that then alter the flex pattern of the ski? Seems to me it would.
Just wondering!
Hardness is a different property than stiffness.
Hum... Phantom comes into plays at 2-3 mph... I wonder how it would perform when I go into bumps or go slower in trails that are more demanding to me?
They did an experiment at Ski magazine:
https://www.skimag.com/gear/dps-pha...il&utm_content=Story1&utm_campaign=110617_hed
And the thing I tought had the most sense is using the Phantom on skis that you use skins on... I could see myself using it on my skis that I use in trees and bumps (it harden the base) and spend more time waxing my carving machines...
Yes you will save TONS of $$$ by not investing in a rotobrush. W/ a rotobrush your beer budget skyrockets! Do your 3-6 sets of skis, wife's/GF's 2-3 skis, kids skis, friends and relatives skis, B/C skis, Tele skis......How many beers is that! OMG ...... I just can't afford that much beer not to mention the hangover! I'm tossing my rotobrush...... I'm getting too old for this IPA (I'm Pickled Again!) thing!I think I'll wait before investing into a rotor brush...
I have a suspicion that it's exactly the same thing and others have posted that feeling as well.Can you tell me what's the difference between this Juice Infinity and your Phantom Glide?
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...ds-first-ski-snowboard-wax-repl?ref=discovery
Yes you will save TONS of $$$ by not investing in a rotobrush. W/ a rotobrush your beer budget skyrockets! Do your 3-6 sets of skis, wife's/GF's 2-3 skis, kids skis, friends and relatives skis, B/C skis, Tele skis......How many beers is that! OMG ...... I just can't afford that much beer not to mention the hangover! I'm tossing my rotobrush...... I'm getting too old for this IPA (I'm Pickled Again!) thing!
I'm a chemist so I did a quick SciFinder literature search on the Utah professor. Nothing yet on the "patent-pending breakthrough". The chemical structure shown on the Kickstarter site is not even a registered structure with Chemical Abstracts, so may be a red herring.
-@Wade answered that one. They're up to 276k+ $. The only problem with people throwing that much money at them is they have to meet the demand. Since they're chemicals, I would think it's doable. They have a hard target now instead of "how much will we sell?"ng. Again, they need a 35K Kickstarter why?
Yeah 20 days/year is 200 days in 10 years. Skis don't last longer than that. I'd bet "lifetime" has a limit, just most won't reach it. If you ski 100days/year maybe you would. In 2, 3, 4 years? Of the people who do that, how many keep a ski 300+ days?Ok, I’ll chime in...
We are gonna ski maybe 20 days a year as long as we live in Florida, LOTS more when we move to Utah.
We are going to be on a 12 days on skis trip in December, 37 days from now but who is counting
So, on a 12 day on the snow trip I would need to wax for sure. I don’t know doodie (notice I did not say sh!t) about waxing skis, much less taking the stuff with me. I like to travel light, as in VERY light. So a lifetime wax seems like a good deal. I did the Kickstarter 2 Pack, so I got two packs for $160, $80 per pair. I doubt it will arrive before we leave, but if it does, I will apply it to both pair of skis.
In the big scheme of things, it amazes me at the things people will put up a fuss about, and then waste money on other stuff. Personally I squeeze the last oz. of toothpaste out of the tube, but I look at the cost benefit of every purchase I make no matter how large or small. I am really into preventative maintenance and I am not skerd of buying once and crying once. I likely would have to pay to have two pair of skis waxed.... Over the course of those skis, the $160 is a freaking bargain.
Let’s see, $160.... $25 more than a 1 day lift ticket at Deer Valley.... 4 bottles of wine.... 3 tanks of gas.... 1/3 of a night for a ski in/ski out lodging
I potentially could be saving money
I potentially could have wasted money
I won’t know the freaking difference anyway this year
Mrs. 53 will be able to tell the difference by day 2
Time will tell.
Actually, this could be another use of the product. Ptex patches as currently done are extruded polyethylene and don't adsorb wax. Not sure if it's zero actually, but it's much less. If Phantom works on that stuff than you're ahead of the game. People getting ptex repairs could get it coated.So you knock a nice gouge into your ski that now requires a good size p-tex repair. You now have an untreated section of your ski base. Speed killer
Yes, you'd want lipstick case size repair tubes.They address p-tex repairs in the kickstarter info. Basically, you have to put new treatment on the repair site if you want the same properties. It would depend on how big a site if it is worth the money. They dont say how long the stuff is good for once the package is opened. I can forsee them selling small repair packages for cheap if this stuff catches on.