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Do ski shops actually get the edge angles right?
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Confused. My "flat" datum is pretty simple, being a very high-quality true bar showing no light at any point along the ski base. More than good enough IMO.
My Titans got skied and waxed so much over many years that I needed the structure brought back more than I was comfortable doing by hand. So I brought them to a shop-that-shall-not-be-named and they did a fine job then dulled the tips and tails aggressively for 6 inches?!?!
After Jeff's corrections, they are back to feeling new.
A true bar really only gives you an indication at that position. What if the ski is twisted in a longitudinal fashion? Or had an uneven base grind side to side from front to back? What is the datum that proves squareness in all directions? I mean if we're splitting hairs at .25*, this should be considered..
10?
You talking about a personal quiver or working on different skis at a back shop?
Personal quiver Tricia10?
You talking about a personal quiver or working on different skis at a back shop?
Ranging from 68mm to 120mm underfoot
….and the perfect counterpoint video, I was just reminded of, featuring Doug Coombs and his custom 3deg side beveler.
Very much this ^.
However, I enjoy working on my skis. I will not sweat imperfections of my own doing. Paid tune done poorly or without regard to instructions is annoying and a good reason to stop giving that shop business .
So that’s the reason my order hasn’t made it to the post office …
I'm sure I know the shop. I had a big fight about it years ago, about threw my skis at them.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with detuned tips and Tails. I always recommend that to anyone I speak to and that's how I set my friends skis and families. Having hooky tips and Tails is dangerous. One set of my skis the edges are sharp only from 2 in front of the binding to directly under my heel. That ski is set up for very specific conditions and runs, think of the shoots at Big Sky, I don't need nor want to catch an edge that could end in catastrophe. I will also set a beginner with the same tune when teaching them how to engage and release their edges to initiate turns.
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I understand that may be your preference on certain skis, but it isn't appropriate on a ski like the Titan. I want that tip to pull me eagerly into the turn as it was designed to do.
For me, I detune slightly only in front and back of the contact points on all my skis. Skis tuned in this manner have travelled enjoyably down the Dictator Chutes and Big C at Big Sky many a time over the decades.
As I've posted before, I've been skiing long enough that I can skid any ski anwhwere anytime!
I would have loved to see you throw them at them. My spirit animal!
I suppose as a former tuner, I simply don't have enough experience or skill to be able to see changes in minute parameters. Even skis I'd be unreliable as far as feeling differences. Customer feedback would have to suffice for me.I understand that may be your preference on certain skis, but it isn't appropriate on a ski like the Titan. I want that tip to pull me eagerly into the turn as it was designed to do.
For me, I detune slightly only in front and back of the contact points on all my skis. Skis tuned in this manner have travelled enjoyably down the Dictator Chutes and Big C at Big Sky many a time over the decades.
As I've posted before, I've been skiing long enough that I can skid any ski anwhwere anytime!
I could feel that the edges weren't engaging and the tails were washing out the first trip down the hill. My edges are sharp to within 4 inches of the tip and an inch of the tail. I have a minutely larger base bevel above the front contact point, but the edge itself is sharp. They had detuned a foot from the tip and 6 inches from the tail. I have zero issues with hookiness the way I tune my skis. I now tell them not to even debur the skis, 'I'll finish up at home. But basically, I haven't taken a ski to a shop in 7 or 8 years. (This wasn't a one time problem. Multiple shops just have done whatever they want.)
I've been tuning my skis for 20 years. I know what I want.
I've been tuning my skis for 20 years. I know what I want.
I am seeing the makings of a Victorian novel - Flat Expectations
*shrug* if "good enough" flat includes longitudinal waves, twist-warp, one edge overground / base not parallel to topsheet (built in canting) then good enough, I guess?
Flatness is like mean sea level... the closer you look the less definite you can be about anything.
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You would have felt this, as they were exactly as Sib describes below. My first time ever with an experience this bad.
I guess I'm just a simple guy for a little mining town, because if the ptex part isn't showing any concave or other weirdness with a true bar, and I put "my" edges on them, I've always been totally happy.
Dude....you have no idea some the crap people ski in the Cascades. Believe me, I'm from the upper midwest originally. We know crap and ice.
I guess I'm just a simple guy for a little mining town, because if the ptex part isn't showing any concave or other weirdness with a true bar, and I put "my" edges on them, I've always been totally happy.
Come on now, you know as well as I do it's no about being happy - it's about winning the tuning threads
Come on now, you know as well as I do it's no about being happy - it's about winning the tuning threads
