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I just read the recent posts. Let me add some strictly personal comments.
(i) You lucky people. You´re enjoying the privilege to discuss whether Ms A is a suitable role model compared to Ms B while most of the rest of the ski world would be happy to have at least one. Sorry but it reminds me of a billionaire´s dilemma which champagne to take for breakfast to match the fresh caviar just delivered.
(ii) Well, I appreciate the depth of the discussion and the insights and info delivered. Good read and inspirative food for thought. Still, be happy to have them both, LV and MS.
(iii) Would you be surprised that a top-notch ski downhiller is not a decent sweet Cinderella? Sitting quiettly in a corner (which, as we know, nobody puts even Baby into)?
Well, those rare DH girls have never been that sort. Just inquire about Marielle Goitschel, Annemarie Moser-Proll, Michela Figini, all rather controversial persons. Katja Seizinger of the 90s, the cold German queen who quit and burned the bridges to DSV, the German Ski Federation, not inviting her teammates to her wedding. Renate Gotschl may have been a fairly „normal“ exception but Lindsey seemes to be a „standard“ DH specimen again.
(iv) There´s quite a lot of research on human personality. Including personality disorders describing non-standard personalities including those diplaying psychopathic traits. Trying to define (ICD-10 classification) narcissism under F60.8 and histrionic PD under F60.4. Or, for you Americans, DSM-5, cluster B, narcisstic and histrionic. Just look up histrionic PD and think of Lindsey.
From what I read (I´m not expert in this field, just an interested layman) there is some configuration in those people´s brains blocking or lacking some connections resulting, among others, in their fearlessness. Which could explain why she is so tough, fighting and successful. And, at the same time, why she behaves the way she does.
(v) It is often difficult to accept that exceptional people/sportspersons often are not those displaying the basic virtues generally valued and adored. Very often they are non-standard, complex, not exactly likeable as personalities – which, sad but true, made it possible for them to be that successful.
(vi) Alpine skiing should be happy to have its heroes of all sorts. You wouldn´t like to partner with lots of them but even scandalous wild dogs had/have made our sport popular. We have to accept that there are quiet, introvert and pious stars like Gustav Thoeni and naturals like Bill Johnson or Alberto Tomba. Decent girls like Liz Gorgl and histrionic stars like Lins. And, maybe, let´s hope, sweet and superb idols like Mikaela. That´s the way it is and that´s the way the sport goes.
Btw, I can think of at least 5 examples here, in a small country in Europe, of ski stars losing their excellent name and status on various reasons. A sad situation, believe me. Be happy you still have both girls you can be proud of.
There was also a question if there was a physical sport where women equal men. When Lindsey asked to ski the LL DH against men the first time a couple years back I did some research preceding an article I wrote on the topic. It seemed the only field comparable was – and you could argue if it´s a regular sport with standard competitions – extreme distance swimming. You Americans should know Ms Diana Hyad *1949 who swam the best time ever, men and women, on 102 miles between Bahamas and Florida in 1979, and was the first to swim from Cuba to Florida in 2013. While on shorter distances, e.g. the English Channel (England – France), men are faster, on extreme lenghts women are equal or even better. But, I repeat, this is not a regular standardized competition but individual efforts.
(i) You lucky people. You´re enjoying the privilege to discuss whether Ms A is a suitable role model compared to Ms B while most of the rest of the ski world would be happy to have at least one. Sorry but it reminds me of a billionaire´s dilemma which champagne to take for breakfast to match the fresh caviar just delivered.
(ii) Well, I appreciate the depth of the discussion and the insights and info delivered. Good read and inspirative food for thought. Still, be happy to have them both, LV and MS.
(iii) Would you be surprised that a top-notch ski downhiller is not a decent sweet Cinderella? Sitting quiettly in a corner (which, as we know, nobody puts even Baby into)?
Well, those rare DH girls have never been that sort. Just inquire about Marielle Goitschel, Annemarie Moser-Proll, Michela Figini, all rather controversial persons. Katja Seizinger of the 90s, the cold German queen who quit and burned the bridges to DSV, the German Ski Federation, not inviting her teammates to her wedding. Renate Gotschl may have been a fairly „normal“ exception but Lindsey seemes to be a „standard“ DH specimen again.
(iv) There´s quite a lot of research on human personality. Including personality disorders describing non-standard personalities including those diplaying psychopathic traits. Trying to define (ICD-10 classification) narcissism under F60.8 and histrionic PD under F60.4. Or, for you Americans, DSM-5, cluster B, narcisstic and histrionic. Just look up histrionic PD and think of Lindsey.
From what I read (I´m not expert in this field, just an interested layman) there is some configuration in those people´s brains blocking or lacking some connections resulting, among others, in their fearlessness. Which could explain why she is so tough, fighting and successful. And, at the same time, why she behaves the way she does.
(v) It is often difficult to accept that exceptional people/sportspersons often are not those displaying the basic virtues generally valued and adored. Very often they are non-standard, complex, not exactly likeable as personalities – which, sad but true, made it possible for them to be that successful.
(vi) Alpine skiing should be happy to have its heroes of all sorts. You wouldn´t like to partner with lots of them but even scandalous wild dogs had/have made our sport popular. We have to accept that there are quiet, introvert and pious stars like Gustav Thoeni and naturals like Bill Johnson or Alberto Tomba. Decent girls like Liz Gorgl and histrionic stars like Lins. And, maybe, let´s hope, sweet and superb idols like Mikaela. That´s the way it is and that´s the way the sport goes.
Btw, I can think of at least 5 examples here, in a small country in Europe, of ski stars losing their excellent name and status on various reasons. A sad situation, believe me. Be happy you still have both girls you can be proud of.
There was also a question if there was a physical sport where women equal men. When Lindsey asked to ski the LL DH against men the first time a couple years back I did some research preceding an article I wrote on the topic. It seemed the only field comparable was – and you could argue if it´s a regular sport with standard competitions – extreme distance swimming. You Americans should know Ms Diana Hyad *1949 who swam the best time ever, men and women, on 102 miles between Bahamas and Florida in 1979, and was the first to swim from Cuba to Florida in 2013. While on shorter distances, e.g. the English Channel (England – France), men are faster, on extreme lenghts women are equal or even better. But, I repeat, this is not a regular standardized competition but individual efforts.